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I don't have much time to follow the impact my media presence has, but it seems other people – particularly creepy, stalkerish people do. From them I learn a lot of shit, get tips for trolling and other stuff.

Likewise, today another my followers dug up this: - [link].

I avoid Tumblr like the plague. I've made an account there a few years ago when I was banned or someshit, but I'm a conservative person and I really don't like having a shitton of online platforms to work on. Ain't nobody got time for dat. Aint nobody with a full-time job I mean, which explains why a lot of dA artists also have a heavy presence on that blogging site. In the time where I first attempted to make a blog there to the present moment, this LJ-wannabe venture turned into the best internet hugbox for the poor, oppressed OWS-inclined hipsters.

Whatever. So of course, I took a look at the link, and giggled a bit. Sure enough, I'm quite aware that all these people and names popping up in the "recent visitors" panel all the time belong to such whiners. They post on my frontpage the heartbreaking "OMG I LURVS UR ART BUT UR A ST00PID NATZI I HATE UR ASS". That's nothing new and nothing particularly surprising.

It's absolutely fine to connect the artists personality to the art he or she produces, and have that influence your perception. I'd be a hypocrite if I said I'm somehow different in that regard – after I learned that Larry Wachowski chopped off his peen and now celebrates trannies as Lara Wachowski, I doubt I'd ever see "The Matrix" again. And I loved that movie. Well, no more – it's forever marred by the fact it's made by a Polish dude with fake tits. I'm not ashamed of saying it.

But anyhow. This isn't about that. It's about "edginess", which is being repeated in that cute little tumblr post all the time like a chewed-up tape.

People throw the "edgy" at me all the time, perhaps in hopes I'd react to it and start yelling that I'm not.

Well no. I'm edgy alright, in more dimension that one, those on dA who know me a bit closer, can attest to that. I'm not only edgy, not only a sinner in that regard, but I'm also REBELLIOUS. OMG. What an affront to the society. Punks not dead, fyi.

Ahahah. So. Edgy. I started to think about why people try to use it like an insult, like an undermining of someones views.  How come the same people that say, put the Christian Cross in a jar of piss and call it art don't get called "edgy"? How come people who fake mental illnesses and proclaim they have bipolar disorder with a violent alter-ego are not edgy? And if the Holy Grail, the Homosex, is so looked down upon THE MAN AND SOCIETY, how come all those ass-crawlers from the pro-gay-rights movement aren't negatively "edgy?"

Oh right. Because this is "permitted protest".

A strange shift somehow befell the Western society. Suddenly, being "uncomfortable" for others was no longer cool. Punks are actually dead, their image taken by antifa hacks and fashionistas. The "IN" thing, what all the cool kids are after, is being complacent and whiney. They do protest, but their protest is only focused on supporting those things the government had marked as "acceptable". They protest against the rich – but not against Apple. They demand rights for gays and POCs (People of Crap), but they don't give a shit about anyone else. Feminism, social justice – this protest movement is SANCTIONED. It's comfortable and complacent.

It's totally NOT edgy, because those involved in it have no teeth, and just suck cock with their flabby drooly mouths.

I think TakiMag's Gavin McInnes in his "The Myth of Shock Value" said it best - [link]

"The shock-value accusation assumes you have appointed yourself provocateur and then take the opposite position of everyone else merely to be difficult" he points out in his essay. "The assumption that someone is saying something merely to get a rise out of someone else is so boring it makes me want to cry. The same goes for the assumption that someone is only spouting an opinion because he's paid to say it."

He continues: "Libertarians are constantly accused of sucking the Koch dick, but if your opinions are so flaccid that anyone can buy them, nobody's going to listen. If someone was so inclined to pretend to be someone they're not, they'd become an actor or a salesman. Being offensive isn't lucrative. It'll lose you clients, cost you your job, and even suck you into a soul-crushing lawsuit".

And, a final nail in the coffin : "A contrarian isn't someone who randomly chooses the opposite position. He's someone who doesn't shy away when the facts bring him to an unpopular place".

Doesn't shy away. Yes, that's correct.

However, McInness misses one vital aspect he, as a Westerner, cannot fully grasp when vivisecting the opposition to unpopular opinions and shocking ides, to the "edgy" stuff. This aspect is discreditation, one that has been used wildly in the Soviet Union, and that truely rings of "cultural marxist" tendrils creeping up.

This whole "you're just edgy and rebellious, your opinions are therefore irrelevant" is eerily similair to the USSR tactic of denouncing the regime's opponents as clinically insane. Compare this:

"Oh, you're a racist? Wow you're just edgy, you're saying this for shock-value and you're opinions can't be hold up as valid, now, go and sit in ostracization" with "Oh, so you don't agree with the Party? You must be insane, you're saying this because you suffer from depression and personality disorders, now go and sit in this clinic".

Yep. Similar.

Calling someone edgy and rebellious is a tactic used to discredit and defame their opinions, make the laughable if they aren't. Unlike the Soviet tactic, it's more insidious, because it marks a person as an immature follower, someone who choose an opposing position because they wanted attention.

They wave this finger at you "oh you, edgy fucker. You better stop it, or we put you in real jail for this childish bullshit you dare spout". And they do. They put us sexy edgy motherfuckers to jail just for the opinion, the word, and the art. Don't believe me? Well, there's this - [link]

So, what's not "real" about that? What's not real about having an opinion and worldview outside the political correctness cesspool? None of those previously mentioned un-rebellious hipsters risk jobs or their lives when they pronounce their support of gay marriage or women rights, no vegans risk bodily integrity when they oppose animal slaughter, no angry black women get lynched by white supremacists for blog posts – the worst they face is rape by their "bruuuuthas",

This is all cultural warfare aimed to emasculate people. Express your maleness? Mysoginist. Express your assertiveness? Tough guy. Express a relative truth? Edgy insane shock-value drone.

In this frame, the only real people are limpwristed effiminate dickheads and raging college cunts, because they whine shy-ly and burp under their breath.

Also, another mating call of un-edgy hipster is "you're immature". Well fuck you, I am. I didn't know that maturity is expressed through worldview, I thought it was more about stuff like holding a polite conversation without yelling "CHEESEMONKEYS" and not peeing your pants, and not throwing a tantrum when you don't get enough money from your boss. But suddenly, maturity is measured by what kind of political agenda you subscribe to. Wonders of the world.

I can honestly say that I'm immature, because like with most people, my psyche had stopped it's formation around 17 years of age, and that's the age of when most people in most countries don't even get to buy alcohol legally.

But wait, there's more where that came from. The most interesting thing is the media. Because, I'm sorry, you non-conformist-conformist-non-people, but folks working in the media, artists included, have to be edgy, or if not, then YOU shouldn't whine that modern television is all Honey Boo-Boo and non scathing political commentary.

A media figure that's not edgy better not exist. If I'm edgy, I have Hunter S. Thompson's coked-up ghost standing beside me shooting his .45. And he HATED Nazis. But he still had the guts to tell shit as it came straight of out his mind, ready to get his ass handed to him for it.

You? Well, I don't know who stands next to you. Trayvon Martin? Pfthaha.

It has balls to stand up to something, and all the eunuchs get jealous.

To sum it up, knives are edgy. And you know what's totally not edgy? What's round and smooth?

A dildo. A fake phallus. A vibrator.

As a journalist, my job is to ram up people's arses. What I came to realize, it's better if you ram up people's asses as a knife and not a dildo.

It's better for both your career and dignity.

So, don't be a dildo.

Stay frosty and be edgy.

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:iconhenskelion:
This is an old as fuck journal entry so it might not be worth posting, but whatevs. So today I was looking over some alt right forum where a thread about what the next major shitlib crusade is going to be now that the whole fag marriage thing is pretty much over with (give it take a year or two). Some people were throwing around the usual ideas you hear - pedo acceptance, dogfucking acceptance, that sort of jazz - and while those might not be too far off the mark one of the ideas (which the forum-goers seemed to agree was going to be the next major movement) was a push for racism/homophobia/trannyphobia/etc to be considered mental illnesses or a form of insanity.

It's a scary idea, and really not far off the mark at all considering it'd be the logical progression of all this anti-bullying nonsense, not to mention that I've heard a number of shitlibs declare in earnest that "bigotry" is mental sickness, and it all reminded me of this journal entry. In fact I'd go one step further and say it's actually a great deal more troubling than comparing it to people brushing off criticism as being "edgy" since it's basically interchangeable with the Soviet abuse of psychology that was used to squash dissent.
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:iconmistafinley:
"Don't be a dildo" I would like to find a way into fitting this into a conversation one day...

But, my respect towards most people is quite scattered, as I can respect one person for another reason, or another, but your journal tends to be a very interesting oasis here at dA. Most of your opinions are shocking in not the way you're talking about here, but in a much more interesting manner, one that makes you think.
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:iconinframan242:
Out of anyone on DA, I respect you the most, even though I'm a proud iranian american muslim, you're one of the few people on here with any interesting shit to say

Tumblr is so much fun for making fun of autists, SJWs, and whiny stupid nerds
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:iconlillbro:
Honestly, even though what you say about ows and it's hypocrits that oppose mass consumerism and shit while playing with their iphones drinking coke, every movement in the world is anal stuffed like a fetishist thanks giving turkey with wimpy hypocrits. Punks not dead man. Cmon, for example, the nazi movement in my country is mostly built up of winny twats who complain about their censored ye ole good christian tvshows with grumpy facebook-statuses. Reason? The majority of all movements, and groups are passive, lazy and hypocritical.. No matter if its anarchist, nazi, communist or whatever, the people who surface to the public are the very few extremists who are portraid as lunatics and the lame ass politicaly correct mass who are portrayed as sane..

Now, I'm an anarchist, non-racist, pro-gun, utilitarian individualist. Despite this, I listen to music performed by rapists and mysogynists, read and appriciate political and filosophical litterature by aryanists, fascists, communists and hippies, like art by nazis *wink wink* and racists and bla bla bla. Point being, art, litterature, music etc are the things that form our perspectives and ideas. Even conservatives agree that input and idea exchange from dissidents and other cultures are essential to the production of ones perception of them. You can't be an honest racist without interacting with other races, you can't be an honest hippie if you havent experienced violence and war, and you can't be an anarchist without having a past relationship with fascism or monarchy.

The are two kinds of people. The ones that limit themselves by censoring shit from people they don't like, and there are those who embrase things in order to get a good enough understanding of it to judge it's origins or ideals. I don't know which kind you are, I would believe the latter. But remember that people of all movements, no matter which one, have both kinds.
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=torture-device Jan 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yes, different things form our perspective, and the more experiences, the better. However, I, for some reason, tend to think in forms of civil war, for bad or for good. Basically, people like you tend to confuse me, because if theyre my compatriots, where would they be when shit hits the fan? Liking my art is cool on the internet, but then, such people would probably kill me given the chance of a real conflict.

On the opposite end of the crosshair noone goes "hm, this dude has cool rational opinions and draws well", what matters is your uniform. Therefore, Id rather people showtheir true convictions outright.
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:iconlillbro:
Hmm, interesting. Never thought like that. Although, at least for me, having aspects such as art in common instills admiration for individuals you would normally reject. That's simple psychology really. I don't say that would save you given an armed conflict erupting. And don't misunderstand, I don't mean to say that kind of admiration deludes you. On the contrary, introduces you to perspectives that you normally would have repudiated.

But, regarding the instance of civil war, it seems bloody limiting to form social and cultural exchange in accordance to military allegiance, when war is non present. I understand your reasoning, but I for one find it alot more productive to interact in broad cultural groupings, disregarding my loyalty to my conviction, not out of dishonesty, but out of constructivity (social standing, career, and sure, preparation for conflict).

If or when 'shit does hit the fan', I like to think my interactions and cultural exchange with dissidents will have paved some common ground and gained me allies against the larger opponent (whichever the fuck that may be in this hypothesis)..
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:iconpeterhat:
~PeterHat Dec 10, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
To be honest, TD, the more I read your opinions, the more I start to associate you with Alex from Clockwork Orange.

As much as I dislike your opinions, I have to say that I keep coming back, not for the "edginess" that you just pointed out, but rather for a literate well constructed opinion and just the strange charm of the person who wrote it.

A wise man learns more from his enemies then a fool learn from his friends.


Speaking of the edginess and why so many people like to mock it. Well, it is a long explanation, but it lies in a well build stereotype that does not apply to 13 year old kids that insult their parents to seem independent. I think the best example is H.R.Giger, you should read this analysis by Stanislav Grof [link] It got me at the part where he tells when a group of the Punk subculture came to his house, waiting to see a dark wizard, but got a rather shy person and a caring family man who uses his art to fight his inner demons, something that he admits himself.. It points that the person from the outside is not the person from the inside. I highly recommend reading the full document, it is rather long, but I think you will love it.

So, the stereotype is based around people who want to seem like jerks are usually the ones that try to use those techniques to hide their inner weakness. It is rumored that one of the people who wore suffering from that type of a psychological disorder was Adolf Hitler and a number of other dictators. Also trolls, that is the reasons why trolls... be trolls.

So, yeah. :)
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:icontorture-device:
=torture-device Dec 14, 2012  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alex? Why? Honestly Alex DeLarge never had a vector, he was never established by Burgess to have an ideology. So I'm just curious.

Yes indeed. I like to study my enemies, much more than my comrades.

Well that does have some merit. But that's the point - any SANE person should realize that I'm a pretty much ordinary person in real life, that I don't go to work in a gasmask, in full combat gear and equipment, that I don't throw random "sieg heils" at people or shit like that. It's something that normal people realize by default. However, the fact that I sit in an office writing articles, go to parties and don't shank every non-Caucassian I see, doesnt downplay my ideology.

Let's take some death-metal musicians or rap artists. Their songs and performances often suggest stuff that they are not. When say, Shaggrath from Dimmu Borgir appears on stage decked out in a bazillion spikes, with the stage littered with pig remains and starts singing about eating christian babies, everyone understands that he doesnt really EAT christian babies, and when the concert ends, he goes back to his van, washes off the corpse-paint and shit. That he's not a Satan's prophet. However, the whole thing with the spikes, babies and pig remains drives his songs and the feeling forwards, making an impact on the audience and selling his product succesively. Imagine if the whole band was doing what it does without establishing an EDGY image and all those audiovisual gimmicks, if they were singing this shit while dressed in pijamas and looking like regular chumps?

Being an unapologetic asshole is my STYLE of propaganda and spread of the NS ideals. Its also rather efficient, as I see. There's a lot of clean-cut, academic white-supremacists that appeal to logic, facts and a rather pleasant self-image - because they're working for the outer audience of their message, and it works. I, on the other hand, work for the INNER audience, I'm that snarky comedian guy that cheers up my teen, and by being "edgy" I actually subvert the whole "crazy nazi punk" image on it's own head.

Of course it's a performance. But it has serious roots.

So, yeah)
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:iconneetsfagging322297:
Randome utoya youth: Uh, a machine-gun? Hurhuhuhu, so edgy, pfft! You would rly shoot someone with it?
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:iconsoylentrobot:
I love a good argument backed up by reasons like this. They're far too rare these days
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